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So, if you plan to vote for Mitt the Sh!t....you probably do too.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/25/the-donald-mitt-romney-pals-around-with-racists/

Do you think this was a wise decision to achieve 100% of the racist vote?

The Big Orange Supremacist. Ya' gotta love that.

After seeing the hypocrisy of a two faced Congressman running for re-election  featured last night on MSNBC, nothing surprises me about the GOP. This guy went off on illegal aliens, birthrights, English only legislation etc, on his English website then never even mentioned those issues on his Hispanic website where he complimented them and welcomed their support. He completely ignored that most other country's citizens are at least bi-lingual and would pick up on the contrast. The GOP is setting new standards for hypocrisy, deceit and demagoguery.

Guilt by association. 

So why aren’t you upset about Obama attending the church of noted racist Rev. Wright for 20 years?

I ate at a McDonald's once where an anti-semite worked.

Your political career is completely foobared.

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You talking to me? Did Obama distance himself from Wright? Besides, freedom of religion doesn't mean you get to tell others what to do.

Don't be a bloviating ignoramus who sells stupid. OK?

Don't eat there then. You get to choose....

There’s your liberal meme of the day, folks!

NO! Freedom FROM religion w/b liberal speak, but you're too one sided to know the diff.

It’s been all over FB today, so I figured it was the latest Maher or Madcow spew.

One-sided?  I don’t practice a religion, I’ve got a personal sense of spirituality I don’t attempt to influence on others so I have no horse in the race.

You are the committed atheist or anti-religionist, I’d say that makes you every bit as much one-sided as you think the Bible thumpers are.

That said, what does your rant on religion have to do with Obama attending a church for 20 years where a message of hate, intolerance, and racism was acceptable?  Sorry I’m not following you here.  :-*

As you might remember long ago (or recently if your name is guido), I had problems with Barack Obama and his association with Rev. Wright. It wasn't because of the church or because Wright was a reverend, it was because I believed Rev. Wright was a crazy racist guy.

I am sure he was a wonderful preacher when he was preaching. He had a large congregation who went there because of their faith. But he also had a history of saying very imflammatory comments that had nothing to do with religion. These were often racial.

I wouldn't have a friend who said such things where I could hear them. One of my son's friends told a racist joke last summer and I made him sit on the porch till his mom could come get him. There is no tolerance for racism.

Obama doesn't go there anymore. I hope he never goes back. He know makes his primary place of worship Evergreen Chapel the non-denominational church at Camp David, the same place President Bush used.

He doesn't seem to be advocating hate....maybe violence: http://www.democracynow.org/seo/2012/5/30/glenn_greenwald_obamas_secret_kill_list , but this is still a war on terror albeit winning. You don't know racism. Why turn it around on a President who is in the minority. Is Obama a racist in your delusional head?

Btw, non-theist. We don't preach....except kindness....

Kindness???  Name-calling and belittlement are not in my vocabulary of "kindness".  Nice little transparent home you've got there.

Oh, I assure you I won't!

However, I do know some people that kept going back every week for almost 30 years.

They must be anti semites lol....or dead from heart disease. ;D

No...you are wrong. Preaching kindness is different than hanging around forums to counter balance stupidity.

Look, some things are just in your DNA....like hubby who professes to be church free but still tows that woman can't choose for themselves zygote thing.

Oops!  My bad.  It wasn't a McDonald's where an anti-semite worked, it was a church where the preacher was a racist who hated his country, and preached that philosophy to his congregation.

I get confused sometimes.

Mmmhmmm.....just like all the other "preachers".  Not practicing.  Got it.

You have a hubby?

It's so stupid of you to continue to hold Wright up as an example...Obama's not a sitting around in magic underwear lying everyday for God's sake. And he doesn't prescribe to the doctrine of Rev. Wright....so, what's your point?

You don’t follow me very well.  I’ve always been very clear where I stand on the “zygote thing”- personally I think it’s repugnant and an abomination.  However, abortion is a moral decision and I’ve always held a deep belief the government should not be legislating morality.  Abortion is between a woman, her doctor, and her sense of a higher power or lack thereof.

I also find a distinct irony of the liberal mind-set that appears to place a higher value on unborn horned owls than unborn humans.

No, I was referring to your ding a ling....

By the way CoCo (Mister CoCo), how come you never condemn those who want to do violence in the name of this moral code?

I will not get into a three way with you two.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

As to your other question, I didn’t realize I have some sort of obligation to denounce every act of violence I may or may not be aware of which occurs on a daily basis.  Personally, I’m currently more concerned about the asshat running loose who shot the 17 year old newly-minted Memorial HS grad on Saturday night than obscure threats on abortion mills or someone already in custody for killing an abortion doc.

If you don't believe in what a man preaches, why do you devote your time to hear him preach?

It was part of the job description for his community organizer gig.

Makes sense.

Makes no sense....you were a fan of Shrub...his credentials were cheer leading and getting coked up....

You're really out there not to understand that there's a National effort by terrorists to kill.

Certainly, her murder was tragic. Let the police worry about that. They'll find the gun nut somewhere...

You make that sound as if it makes him unqualified to lead.  Apparently it’s something he and the current president have in common.

Watch it mister!  President Obama is an economic genius, who always delivers results.  He's true to his word and always Wright!

Dont' you forget it.

And he saith unto the clown, thy shalt checkith yourself before thy wreckith yourself. -Amen

Thanks, guys (and girl) for reminding me how totally useless these political threads are.

I'm sure glad no one holds me responsible for attending my Lutheran Church back in the eighties when 1000's of people were blinded in Bhopal by a leak from an oil company refinery and my minister found it un-necessary to pray for them or even mention them since they weren't, you know, Christian and it was, you know, the oil industry that runs this city. He followed up with some anti-women, anti-gay stuff too yet I continued to attend the church because I (apparently) mistakenly believed that the church was the people who met, prayed and worked together for good rather than one out of touch leader and tons of sheep who ignored his rants.

They're here in case you can't log in to read the TW comments section.

Good insight. And, this one is free. Don't have to subscribe or deal with paywalls.

I've stopped with the TW other than tweets and FB posts.

I left out something in Shrubs resume: draft dodger and entitled.

Draft dodger is in Mitt's credentials as well....

What criteria is it that makes you a draft dodger?
Is it a person who did not sign up at the Post Office for selective services?
Or someone who did and did not get drafted?
Or someone who was drafted and did not show up for enlistment?

Someone who used Daddy's influence to get out of serving....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMUBWKJ5A_0[/youtube]

While we'll never know what phone calls were made we do know going off to France to proselytize is not duty to one's country. Church before country?

Let’s see, what was Obama’s military service again?

There are pictures of him in uniform.
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Is that a Gadsden flag in the background?

TTC also fails to remember that Obama pals around with leftwing terrorists.

They're called progressives Conan.

Hyde Park. Isn't that in London?

Eh, he thinks anyone with progressive ideas is a terrorist.

That Hyde Park is probably the one in Chicago.

Hyde Park Shopping center in Chicago.

There were no wars taking place during his possible internment.

I am always petrified at the responses to defend RMoney where there is no defense.

You'd think educated people would know...

Four to eight years in the military might have taught President Obama some leadership skills.  Heaven only knows he didn’t get any from anywhere else he’s occupied his time unless bogarting someone else’s joint is considered a leadership trait.

Funny, liberals think dodging the draft is something to be admired unless it was a Republican who did it. 

At least Romney has a track record of leadership he can bring to the office.  I don’t see anyone attacking that, only his religion, loose associations with supposed racists (Trump must be racist because he’s a birther) and anywhere from mining only the negatives out of the PE business to completely mis-characterizing his role at Bain.

Running scared yet?  No landslide for the POTUS in November when he has to stand on his record from the previous four years.

Wrong thread...this should be under "YOU PEOPLE HATE OBAMA".... there's a common denominator. :-*

Was it good leadership?

Would he show leadership or will he just roll over and show his belly to the Tea Party and socially conservative lobbyists?

Not sure why anyone's defending either side really.  They're not looking out for you or me.

They do know.

Since this thread is about Mitt, here is a good story about banks and whistleblowers and how Mitt has said he wants to repeal the law that made it possible to get Citicorps attention - even if just for a few minutes....


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/woman-who-couldn%E2%80%99t-be-intimidated-by-citigroup-wins--31-million.html?page=1

This isn't new. After CSX's negligence killed a few folks on an Amtrak train, they handed the bill to the government (yes, the law exempts the host railroad for any liability whatsoever) and had Florida law changed so that future suits could not be brought should CSX's future failure to maintain track and switches kill more people.

Commander in Chief

I liked it when President George H.W. Bush appointed Dick Cheney Secretary of Defense. Cheney had been given five draft deferments and never served a day in the military. When he was appointed he was quoted saying, "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service."

Yep!  So did 55,000 other guys.  Too bad they didn't have the privileged environment to exercise those priorities, huh?

Don't forget Rush Limbaugh, and Ted Nugent.  Plus Baby Bush, whose Daddy got him the soft seat where he didn't even have to show up except to play with airplanes!!

And Joe Biden who got five deferments then finally got out of it altogether due to asthma he supposedly suffered from way back in high school...

Did you serve?  You were from that era, yes?

Yep, Biden, too!!

As well as anyone else - on either side - who was wanting to stay out but was NOT willing to accept the consequences of refusal to serve.  I have a lot more respect for the "draft dodgers" who stood up for their beliefs and did time or received other adverse consequences, than for any of those type clowns. 

Yep, I am from that era.  I have mentioned winning the lottery before - # 325 - before that, a close family friend, who was on the Tulsa draft board, was foaming at the mouth to get me drafted.  And got tear gassed at TU one time during a 1968 moratorium (protest) event, so I got to experience the "chemical warfare" part of basic training.

While I respect the draft dodgers beliefs, they should not have been forgiven.   They made a choice.  They should have been exiled forever. I did not believe in the Viet Nam war any more than you believe in the actions in Iraq.  I chose to serve my country rather than desert it when the notice came from the draft board.


Winning?  I suppose so.  I had number 38.  Getting tear gassed at TU in an open area is not the same as getting tear gassed in an enclosed space and being required to stay there without a mask until the Drill Sergeant (still in a gas mask) says you can go.  I've been there. You haven't.  I am a Viet Nam era veteran but do not claim to be a Viet Nam veteran as I didn't actually serve in Nam.  I have the National Defense Ribbon/medal to prove that I "joined" during a time of conflict.  The only thing you have a legitimate claim to is contributing to Nixon's decision to getting us out Nam before I had to go there.  Don't give me any "carp" about being subject to anything near to actual military service during the era.   I put up with a lot of "carp" from you but this is not one of those situations.  You were alive then but you were not forced to make "the" decision.  Your thoughts have NO relevance on this subject.

As should the Supreme Court justices who have blatantly ignored the law and their own prior precedent to advance an ideological agenda. (both liberal and conservative, although it's been the conservative wing doing it my lifetime)

And the people who have evaded millions of dollars of tax, including the second President Bush.

If you're going after the folks who shirk their responsibilities, why quit with draft dodgers?

Because that is the subject I was talking about.  If you want to start another topic, fine.   If I had known that I only had to go to Canada for a few years, I may have considered it.  I probably still wouldn't have gone but it wouldn't have been so unattractive.  Draft dodgers that went to jail and did their time are OK by me.  They made a choice and took the punishment.  Draft dodgers that left the country to avoid any punishment are the ones I am talking about.

The consequence was prison, as defined by Federal law, and if they were convicted and served their time, then they are by definition "forgiven" - at least defacto, if not really.  The "Gone to Canada" group is not the ones I was talking about, but if Tricky deserved a pardon (and got one) then they definitely should be pardoned.  More so.  As for making the decision, well, yes, up until the lottery number was selected, I did have to make the decision - and it had already been made - just waiting for the event to happen.

Never said it was (tear gas being the same) - that is what "quotes" around a comment infers - it's an allusion to connect, allowing the reader to make as full or limited a connection as desired.  No, tear gas is Tulsa is not the full bodied, broader experience of being in a room with the stuff.

I agree completely with the claim of helping force Nixon to get us out before you had to go.  You are welcome!  Still took about 6 years too long, JUST like our exit from Iraq - as well as the other similarity that we never should have been there in the first place. 

I have two good friends buddies (tale of two cities...) who enlisted in Navy so they wouldn't have to take a walk (infantry) - so they could ride everywhere they went.  One got the expected results - stationed in Phillipines, got to ride up and down the coast shooting at things, then go back to Subic Bay.  Worst part of it for him was putting up with one of the guys on ship who kept bringing in those 'thousand year old eggs'.

The other got to "ride" in a riverboat.  Got some shot out from under him, then got to enjoy the POW experience for a while. 

As noted, my contribution was here, getting to inhale some noxious vapors and get slapped around by the cops a little bit.  Except for the tear gas room, it was worse than the first guys experience, and infinitely better than the second. 

No crap or carp at all.

If I remember correctly, the time in prison then was two years - the same as a draftee term.  You could have done that, if you were really serious about a non-belief in the war - would have been the same time frame.  Canada pardon didn't occur until late '70s.  While Nixon's was several years earlier.  So they had to deal with consequences much longer than he did.