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After almost a year and a half of a splash page, www.marshallbrewing.com now has a full website.  The group over at Cubic Creative have done a great job, my hats off to them.  Check it out and give me your feed back.

Thanks- Eric

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After almost a year and a half of a splash page, www.marshallbrewing.com now has a full website.  The group over at Cubic Creative have done a great job, my hats off to them.  Check it out and give me your feed back.

Thanks- Eric

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It looks good and is standards-compliant. It degrades gracefully if javascript or flash aren't present. If only all websites were made so well.

Kudos to your web monkeys!

Thank you Eric! I've been waiting for this for a long time. I guess I'll stop bugging you now.

just a quick cursory look so far...

Carrabba's at 51st street is no longer serving Marshalls

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just a quick cursory look so far...

Carrabba's at 51st street is no longer serving Marshalls

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Or food.

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Originally posted by inteller

please brew a stout.

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The IPA almost qualifies as one.

Great looking website.  If I can just make one suggestion or point out something.  Tahlequah is spelled wrong on your link of where you can find it.  There is a "H" between A and the L.  Not trying to nit pick or anything, but thought I would mention it.

Here is the site for the company that created the site: http://www.cubiccreative.com/index.asp

Might be better off contacting them directly for any website changes.

Quality website.  I enjoyed the actual CONTENT that it delivered on top of the nice package.  The history of brewing in Oklahoma as well as the details about your beer.  I look forward to checking back as new beers are added, news released, and/or even more content added.

I hope you do well enough to someday be a title sponsor of Oktoberfest.  Not sure why, just think it would be amazingly cool to have it sponsored by a local brewing company.  And of course, all the out of town people that left would surely bring the name Marshall's with them.

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please brew a stout.

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do us all a favor and start holding your breath...
he has no plans to do one... if you want a stout have a guinness...

I want a root beer.

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I want a root beer.

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I SECOND THAT!

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please brew a stout.

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do us all a favor and start holding your breath...
he has no plans to do one... if you want a stout have a guinness...

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ok, well at least that keeps the beer true to the state....weak.

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I wouldn't exactly call 6.5% ABV 'weak'....

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please brew a stout.

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do us all a favor and start holding your breath...
he has no plans to do one... if you want a stout have a guinness...

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ok, well at least that keeps the beer true to the state....weak.

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I wouldn't exactly call 6.5% ABV 'weak'....

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Maybe not for an okie used to 3.2 beer.  The stouts I consume are regularly in the 7-8+ range.

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I may be native okie, but I lived in Texas and have drank enough other beers to be used to stronger.  6.5 is no slouch, when you consider that most of the bordering states who call their beer 'six point' are actually selling between 5 and 5.5 percent ABV.

And stouts typically don't refer to ABV, they refer to brewing method/ingredients and flavor.  You can have a stout have less ABV than 4 percent.  I'm not a big fan of stouts.  I, however, have had Anchor beer which ran in the 9 % ABV range, and it was not a stout (barley wine).  Most stouts range from 4 to 7 percent ABV.

http://beeradvocate.com/articles/291

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please brew a stout.

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do us all a favor and start holding your breath...
he has no plans to do one... if you want a stout have a guinness...

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ok, well at least that keeps the beer true to the state....weak.

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I wouldn't exactly call 6.5% ABV 'weak'....

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Maybe not for an okie used to 3.2 beer.  The stouts I consume are regularly in the 7-8+ range.

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I didn't know you drank beer for the alcohol content.

They do sell stuff like Everclear and Thunderbird, you know. [;)]

Hey guys, troll feeding times are strictly limited to 6:59am to 7am every day.

Eric, first-rate web site like everything you do.

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please brew a stout.

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do us all a favor and start holding your breath...
he has no plans to do one... if you want a stout have a guinness...

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ok, well at least that keeps the beer true to the state....weak.

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whatever

Inteller, to my knowledge Choc has never done a Stout.  They make a Black Lager that you may be confusing for a stout, but it is a completely different style.  If you are drinking stouts in the 7-8% you are probably drinking imperial stouts, because there are not many regular stouts in that abv range.

it would appear that inteller equates ABV to the "strength" of a beer and has made the leap to assuming that a "stout" is "stronger" and must be boozier... classic dudebagery... in fact, all guinness is 4.1% ABV which means it could nearly be sold anywhere in oklahoma (with our 4% ABV) cut off... but many people wont drink it because its "too strong" and act a maggot after drinking two...  

only french monks and frat boys pound chimay,  barley wine is never a good idea and elephant beer will make you feel like you were dropped out of the donkey of an actual elephant...

so order your beer with a side of powers and shut the **** up... or have two...  


and with regards to mr marshalls post:
(http://www.seecoy.com/p4prvvork/boxing/chris_coy_pwnd.jpg)

Never said I won't be brewing a stout, because I probably will, its just not in the plans yet.  I just wanted to clear up some confusion for now!  Go drink a couple of the Atlas IPAs and tell me that Oklahoma beer is "weak".  Just because it is not the style of beer you most prefer doesn't mean you need to bash all Oklahoma Beer.

Inteller, I don't think he wants to brew things that don't sell very well (Stout may, but most 10+ point beer does not).  Strong Ale is the Ale equivalent of malt liquor, some actually use wine or champagne yeast strains to get more alcohol out of each mash.   Most "ALE" yeast dies off around 6-7% ABV, very few survive to 10%.  Most home brewers would consider anything over the 10% line a barley wine.

Oddly enough, I am trying to brew a lager tonight.  If I can't get it right (I don't want to change my keg fridge to a laggering fridge as it has other beet in it) and it appears to be heading towards a steam beer I plan on pitching some wine yeast to up the alcohol content to ~12% then shocking it in my keg fridge to stop fermentation.  No idea what they will do... but I've brewed steam so may as well try something else!

/tanget

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 Just because it is not the style of beer you most prefer doesn't mean you need to bash all Oklahoma Beer.

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It's what he does.  He doesn't need to have knowledge of the subject.

Excellent beers Eric.

So are kegs available direct from the brewery?  Come BBQ season...

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So are kegs available direct from the brewery?  Come BBQ season...

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No due to Oklahoma law, I cannot sell anything direct to the public.  The only people I can sell to are licensed Oklahoma wholesalers.  Which means you have to buy them from liquor stores.  Sorry!

Anybody else thirsty after reading this thread? [:P]

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Never said I won't be brewing a stout, because I probably will, its just not in the plans yet.  I just wanted to clear up some confusion for now!  Go drink a couple of the Atlas IPAs and tell me that Oklahoma beer is "weak".  Just because it is not the style of beer you most prefer doesn't mean you need to bash all Oklahoma Beer.

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sorry you are right, other people were speaking for you when they said no stout.  

I've had your Atlas, not my thing.   I'll keep my hopes up for Oktoberfest this year.  You brew a decent wheat beer though.

side question....who is doing your bottle illustrations?  They look like Thomas Matthews illustrations.

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i said he had "no plans"...
which is what he said, so go **** yourself...

you call his beer "weak" and now are trying to suck-up?  pathetic...

No Inteller.  Class has nothing to do with it.  I am implying that they are a niche market because most people don't like them.  For a craft brewer trying to specialize in fine beers working towards a 12% ABV brew for the sake of having more alcohol just seems a strange fit.

Get a vodka side car and plunk it into a Marshalls if you must.
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elephant beer will make you feel like you were dropped out of the donkey of an actual elephant...

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Never a truer statement...

side question....who is doing your bottle illustrations?  They look like Thomas Matthews illustrations.
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All my artwork has been done by Cubic Creative, same group who did my website.

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So are kegs available direct from the brewery?  Come BBQ season...

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No due to Oklahoma law, I cannot sell anything direct to the public.  The only people I can sell to are licensed Oklahoma wholesalers.  Which means you have to buy them from liquor stores.  Sorry!

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wait, can't you take advantage of that new law that lets you sell direct to liquor stores like what the wineries are doing?

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I think that law only applies to wineries.

Great site.

I jumped over to Choc's website to see theirs, and it reminded me that most every alcohol website you visit has a token age verification before you can enter.

I haven't the foggiest idea of the legal requirements/liability issues for such a verification, but it might be something you should take a look at.

Inteller,

There are HUNDREDS of craft brewed strong ales:
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/style/78

While I agree Marshall needs to set himself apart to grow, being a good regional craft brewer is at this time enough to do that.  His beers are a cut above Choc, which is the only real competition for a regional craft beer.  Good craft beer is hard to find, good is better than unique or strong in my book.

sorry this is a little off-topic but I wanted to note that the last two times I was in the Buccaneer (and it was probably two weeks between visits) the Marshall tap was empty!  Made me sad.  But maybe I'll have better luck at Joe Momma's tonight.

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Never said I won't be brewing a stout, because I probably will, its just not in the plans yet.  I just wanted to clear up some confusion for now!  Go drink a couple of the Atlas IPAs and tell me that Oklahoma beer is "weak".  Just because it is not the style of beer you most prefer doesn't mean you need to bash all Oklahoma Beer.

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sorry you are right, other people were speaking for you when they said no stout.  

I've had your Atlas, not my thing.   I'll keep my hopes up for Oktoberfest this year.  You brew a decent wheat beer though.

side question....who is doing your bottle illustrations?  They look like Thomas Matthews illustrations.

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i said he had "no plans"...
which is what he said, so go **** yourself...

you call his beer "weak" and now are trying to suck-up?  pathetic...

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 suck up?  no you have that market cornered.  I simply apologized for someone else speaking on his behalf, which I didn't even need to.

wow, for someone in your position....

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he makes a great beer. he's got a new website. he is a great guy. end of story.

despite your attempt, your knowledge of who you think i am does not threaten me in the least... 3/4 of the active posters know who i am... as to my "position", im currently on the toilet, taking what i like to call an "inteller"... so again, whatever...
 

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No Inteller.  Class has nothing to do with it.  I am implying that they are a niche market because most people don't like them.  For a craft brewer trying to specialize in fine beers working towards a 12% ABV brew for the sake of having more alcohol just seems a strange fit.

Get a vodka side car and plunk it into a Marshalls if you must.
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I never saw any place where he said he was working towards that (12% ABV).  However, appealing to the masses with an average beer will certainly get the cash flowing in, but it doesn't really set you apart from the kazillions of other craft brewers out there.  I'm just suggesting creating something bold and different.  I'd rather see something in the mold of Stone Brewing....most craft brews I see these days follow the mold of Sam Adams (Choc Beer lineup comes to mind).  Now while Sam Adams has some good brews, that road has already been well traveled.

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As others here will testify, I love beer.  I drink a lot of it.  

I've also had quite a few regional and national craft beers.  Marshall's is a cut-above.  

Cut the guy some slack, and have some patience.  He decided to spend a handsome chunk in the local economy to bring some vision and hip-factor to this town and people are critical of what he's done?  Eric is a very good brewer, he could have done this anywhere, but he chose Tulsa, in spite of some totally clueless ingrates.  

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Inteller,

There are HUNDREDS of craft brewed strong ales:
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/style/78

While I agree Marshall needs to set himself apart to grow, being a good regional craft brewer is at this time enough to do that.  His beers are a cut above Choc, which is the only real competition for a regional craft beer.  Good craft beer is hard to find, good is better than unique or strong in my book.

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You are missing my point.  An IPA, a pilsner, a "house ale", and a dark ale are all safe, standard fare.  From a regional perspective it wouldn't be hard to be good because hell, regionally there isn't a lot of competition.  WHo else besides Choc and Marshall are even in the region?

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Boulevard.

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Never said I won't be brewing a stout, because I probably will, its just not in the plans yet.  I just wanted to clear up some confusion for now!  Go drink a couple of the Atlas IPAs and tell me that Oklahoma beer is "weak".  Just because it is not the style of beer you most prefer doesn't mean you need to bash all Oklahoma Beer.

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Amen, I bought all three for a little get-together last week, and the IPA might be enough to knock mortal men on their donkey.  It's a good Indian Pale.

When is the Old Pavilion Pilsner coming?

I like some of the Boulevard and Shiner brews, but, like Sam Adams, they have lost some of their cachet as a true "micro-brew".  

I've tried the different varieties of Choc and I guess it totally misses my taste buds, never caught on with me, and it wasn't from lack of trying...

I was just relieved when I didn't have to bootleg Boulevard from KC anymore.  Two of their brews I particularly like are the Bob's 47 Oktoberfest and Bully Porter.

Speaking of micros:

Is OE small enough still to be a "micro"?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/af/OE_800.JPG/300px-OE_800.JPG)

I've gotten to where I like Sierra Nevada as well.  They're essentially Boulevard West Coast...

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I want a root beer.

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Me too

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please brew a stout.

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do us all a favor and start holding your breath...
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ok, well at least that keeps the beer true to the state....weak.

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I wouldn't exactly call 6.5% ABV 'weak'....

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So are kegs available direct from the brewery?  Come BBQ season...

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No due to Oklahoma law, I cannot sell anything direct to the public.  The only people I can sell to are licensed Oklahoma wholesalers.  Which means you have to buy them from liquor stores.  Sorry!

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That's stupid.
Is the industry lobbying against this much?

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No due to Oklahoma law, I cannot sell anything direct to the public.  The only people I can sell to are licensed Oklahoma wholesalers.  Which means you have to buy them from liquor stores.  Sorry!

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That's stupid.
Is the industry lobbying against this much?

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How long have you lived here?  It's been like that for YEARS!

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No due to Oklahoma law, I cannot sell anything direct to the public.  The only people I can sell to are licensed Oklahoma wholesalers.  Which means you have to buy them from liquor stores.  Sorry!

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That's stupid.
Is the industry lobbying against this much?

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How long have you lived here?  It's been like that for YEARS!

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I understand, but does anyone lobby against it?

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That's stupid.
Is the industry lobbying against this much?

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How long have you lived here?  It's been like that for YEARS!

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I understand, but does anyone lobby against it?

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Not when the big beer makers are for the laws currently as is.  Some have tried before but it never gets anywhere.

So I got bored yesterday while the wife was watching TV so I converted the background image from the website into a wallpaper. It only fits a smaller monitor with 1024x768 resolution but its better than nothing. Hopefully Eric and Cubic don't mind me using their image.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3119/3222256481_0fcdd261f0_o.jpg

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No due to Oklahoma law, I cannot sell anything direct to the public.  The only people I can sell to are licensed Oklahoma wholesalers.  Which means you have to buy them from liquor stores.  Sorry!

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That's stupid.
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How long have you lived here?  It's been like that for YEARS!

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I understand, but does anyone lobby against it?

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People do lobby, but the legislature is tied up with neo-teetotalers who want nothing to do with bills that involve alcohol. Sad, but true.

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Not when the big beer makers are for the laws currently as is.  Some have tried before but it never gets anywhere.

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Eh, if a bill could be passed in Arkansas (15 years ago!) that allows small local breweries to sell direct, it could be done in Oklahoma.

Dark, Amber, Bitter, Malty, Strong or not so strong... At least Tulsa is becomming aware that there are more choices than MillerCoorsBud Light.  

I hope that when Marshall becomes well enough established that he will be able to do some limited/specialty runs of beer such as the Boulevard Smokestack series and the likes of Avery's Mephistopheles' Stout(15.92% ABV & $8.00/12 oz bottle for you strong beer nuts). For now, he seems to be doing a good job establishing a core product line.  Keep buying the core products and I expect some of the specialty brews will come.

Oklahoma alcohol laws are amazingly stupid.  No point to any of the following:

1) No sales in grocery stores
2) Nos ales on Sunday
3) No direct sales even with permit
4) No "mixer" sales at liqueur stores
5) Pretty much everything with beer and wine production
6) 3 tier distribution

Generally, the voters are too stupid to understand what alcohol is.  Unlike people in 40+ of the other states we can't handle pop AND alcohol at the same store.  And we, for some reason, need producers to give it to distributors to hand it to a store before we can safely buy it.

And Sundays.  Oh man Sundays.  We'd all be alcoholics if we could get wine on Sundays.  It's the only day alcoholics forget to buy their vodka. They shake and go through withdrawals all day Sunday because they can't help but be sober.

OR... people who abuse alcohol and kids who shouldn't have it get as much as they damn well please and responsible adults are punished by paying more, being inconvenienced, and having our selection limited.  

Stupid.  Welcome to the 1950's in the rest of the nation.

The liquor laws in Oklahoma would almost make you think the liquor distribution channels are run by the mob like they were when Oklahoma was still dry.

I just returned from OKC.  I was talking to the owner of the Red Dirt store in Bricktown and mentioned it was a shame he couldn't sell beer.  If you aren't familiar with the store, it's an all-Oklahoma product line and is operated by the fellow that has the river boat concession in the canal.

At any rate, one of his buddy's is starting a brewery in OKC, with first kegs supposed to be out in March and bottles by May.  Apparently they will have an Imperial Stout.  Now we can look forward to a few months from now when Inteller is telling us Oklahoma-made Imperial Stout is inferior. [}:)]

And, FYI, I'm enjoying a bottle of Sunset Wheat as we speak.

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The liquor laws in Oklahoma would almost make you think the liquor distribution channels are run by the mob like they were when Oklahoma was still dry.

I just returned from OKC.  I was talking to the owner of the Red Dirt store in Bricktown and mentioned it was a shame he couldn't sell beer.  If you aren't familiar with the store, it's an all-Oklahoma product line and is operated by the fellow that has the river boat concession in the canal.

At any rate, one of his buddy's is starting a brewery in OKC, with first kegs supposed to be out in March and bottles by May.  Apparently they will have an Imperial Stout.  Now we can look forward to a few months from now when Inteller is telling us Oklahoma-made Imperial Stout is inferior. [}:)]

And, FYI, I'm enjoying a bottle of Sunset Wheat as we speak.

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You mean Sundown Wheat, or some other brew?

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The liquor laws in Oklahoma would almost make you think the liquor distribution channels are run by the mob like they were when Oklahoma was still dry.

I just returned from OKC.  I was talking to the owner of the Red Dirt store in Bricktown and mentioned it was a shame he couldn't sell beer.  If you aren't familiar with the store, it's an all-Oklahoma product line and is operated by the fellow that has the river boat concession in the canal.

At any rate, one of his buddy's is starting a brewery in OKC, with first kegs supposed to be out in March and bottles by May.  Apparently they will have an Imperial Stout.  Now we can look forward to a few months from now when Inteller is telling us Oklahoma-made Imperial Stout is inferior. [}:)]

And, FYI, I'm enjoying a bottle of Sunset Wheat as we speak.

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You mean Sundown Wheat, or some other brew?

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Sundown, Sunset...whatever. [;)]

You are correct, must've been on my 2nd or third bottle when I posted that.

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The liquor laws in Oklahoma would almost make you think the liquor distribution channels are run by the mob like they were when Oklahoma was still dry.

I just returned from OKC.  I was talking to the owner of the Red Dirt store in Bricktown and mentioned it was a shame he couldn't sell beer.  If you aren't familiar with the store, it's an all-Oklahoma product line and is operated by the fellow that has the river boat concession in the canal.

At any rate, one of his buddy's is starting a brewery in OKC, with first kegs supposed to be out in March and bottles by May.  Apparently they will have an Imperial Stout.  Now we can look forward to a few months from now when Inteller is telling us Oklahoma-made Imperial Stout is inferior. [}:)]

And, FYI, I'm enjoying a bottle of Sunset Wheat as we speak.

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You mean Sundown Wheat, or some other brew?

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Sundown, Sunset...whatever. [;)]

You are correct, must've been on my 2nd or third bottle when I posted that.

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Ha!  I figured as much.  Did the same to me when I was drinking them.

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Not when the big beer makers are for the laws currently as is.  Some have tried before but it never gets anywhere.

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Eh, if a bill could be passed in Arkansas (15 years ago!) that allows small local breweries to sell direct, it could be done in Oklahoma.

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I think that would be a great start - allowing Oklahoma based breweries to sell direct. If Oklahoma allowed grocery stores to stock alcohol, that would pretty much doom liquor stores. But the convenience of having it all in one place would trump this setback. It would be interesting to see how existing stores reworked their layout to fit alcohol. In other states, the liquor section is a pretty significant section of the store.

I don't think liquor stores would be doomed if alcohol sales were allowed in grocery stores.  In several states where I have lived they existed, Florida, California, Oregon, Louisiana all have both liquor in grocery stores and liquor stores.  There are some pretty poor liquor stores in Tulsa and would not be missed if alcohol was sold in Food Pyramid stores.

I just had Marshall's pilsner on tap at The Boundary tonight. It was terrific, as usual for the brand. Can't wait for it to show up in bottles.

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I think that would be a great start - allowing Oklahoma based breweries to sell direct. If Oklahoma allowed grocery stores to stock alcohol, that would pretty much doom liquor stores. But the convenience of having it all in one place would trump this setback. It would be interesting to see how existing stores reworked their layout to fit alcohol. In other states, the liquor section is a pretty significant section of the store.

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Other states still have liquor stores.  Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, Illinois, New Mexico, Minnesota, Wisconsin - all have regular liquor laws that Reasor's could have an alcohol section.  But I've been to a liquor store in each of those states.  It's just competition and good liquor stores would still do well.

FURTHERMORE - who cares?  Sorry for the people that own that business, but laws should not be in place to restrict the public in order to artificially prop up a business.  Perhaps they could make deals to move in-house at Reasors or where ever.  Maybe they'd have to offer better service, selection, location, prices (or like Ranch Acres, keep offering good service, great selection, and a willingness to try and get any product you can think of) - you know, compete.

A law that does nothing but protect existing business from competition is harmful to the majority of the population.

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I don't think liquor stores would be doomed if alcohol sales were allowed in grocery stores.  In several states where I have lived they existed, Florida, California, Oregon, Louisiana all have both liquor in grocery stores and liquor stores.  There are some pretty poor liquor stores in Tulsa and would not be missed if alcohol was sold in Food Pyramid stores.

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Louisiana has beer and wine sales in grocery stores but Liquor is still carried in a separate store (although most times next door)

Of course you can also buy alcoholic drinks in a drive through, so we don't necessarily want to copy from Louisiana.

Hey I am shocked that they can now stay open all day on election days.

I think it's time to take customer service to the next level...

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