I don't hear you piling on Kennedy or Johnson for getting us into and furthering our involvement in Vietnam. I also don't hear you piling on FDR for WW-II or Truman for sending US troops to Korea. Plenty of innocent civilians ended up dead in those conflicts.
And torture has been around as long as war itself. How great of a job did Obama do at closing Gitmo and other places where enemy combatants were and are tortured? Do you really believe rendition has ended just because the government says it has?
And this leads to why are you so obsessed with "Baby Bush"?
Sheesh, get over it already.
How far back do you wanna go?? Pick a date. As long as it is before 1650...we can come forward from there.
WWII first - really?? I know you don't have any trouble with WWII. Neither do I. And I don't have any problem with Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, etc.
And I have ALSO said here - repeatedly - that Afghanistan was the right war. And we should have executed it properly. And Bush can add that fiasco to the list of his failures - we are STILL bogged down in bullsh$t. Long term consequence of our participation when Russia set up a puppet government there.
Korea was another Cluster - Truman was absolutely wrong to pursue it the way he did. IF you are gonna fight a war, then FIGHT the dam thing!! If I had been old enough at the time, I would have protested that, too, for the way it was mishandled! Shoulda dusted off the nukes again when we had the chance...
Check out the first 20 seconds of this - covers it all pretty well. Did he live up to the ideal? Not as well as could have, but better than most.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpWEv9Q0XQ4VietNam. That was Johnson's war. Truman, Eisenhower, and Kennedy all had roughly the same level of participation there - a few hundred advisors training people - after the French figured out they needed to get out of the colony business. It got twisted very badly by Johnson - as we continue to do things today. It was all his - he started it all in 1965 by sending 3,500 combat troops. What do you wanna hear about VietNam? VERY much against that war and Johnson was massively wrong - he was a total a$$wipe in similar fashion to Trump. Only thing worse was Nixon. I got tear gassed in Tulsa protesting VietNam. But then Johnson was also a beneficiary from the whole Alaska Barge and Transport thing, so at least he got richer off of that, huh?
Were you aware (old enough) at the time? Alaska Barge and Transport was the mechanism by which we (CIA) set up the drug movement mechanism to fund clandestine activities. Until the war wound down and that supply line method dried up, so George Bush Sr, by then, as head of the CIA, had to set up new paths - hence his "hiring" of Manual Noriega in Panama - new supply lines from Asia and South America. Getting rid of Noriega when he was no longer "convenient".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/apr/27/manuel-noriega-us-friend-foeI know you are unlikely to believe much of the reality from me, or even wiki, but find someone you know who is a VietNam vet...especially if they were in logistics. Check with several. See what they have to say. Ask them if they ever heard of Alaska Barge?
And this is much closer to correct than not...things we do. And some here wonder why the mid-east hates us so much? And why so many are at best "frenemies"...
https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051Anyone really think China or VietNam are now truly our friends?? They are using us to further their goals, just as we used them to further ours over the decades. If you are truly interested in China, go back and study the Boxer Rebellion....that's the one where Britain and us forced China to let us sell opium in country...yeah, they certainly appreciated that...and if ya think they have forgotten, then that is part of the American Delusion. (And notice which party it was leading the country at that particular time. Hint: Republican.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_RebellionAgain, as I have chanted about repeatedly - it all goes to perspective. And such a woeful lack of knowledge and sense of history in this country. We have had so much bad in our history, it puts the lie to most, if not all, of our claims of being a nation of rule of law. Or morality. Or justice. Again, as I have chanted about repeatedly - no other nation has done as much bad as a whole than we. Also again, as I have chanted about repeatedly - no other nation has done as much good as a whole than we.
I submit we should KEEP the good. Get rid of the bad.
And... have a Snickers!
Better??