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« Reply #120 on: July 11, 2012, 03:08:07 pm » |
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I’m sure he was. There is simply no telling how it’s all going to play out due to different understandings of the law. I’d sure as hell hate to wind up like Kenneth Gumm.
We discussed that case specifically. The shove evidently was construed as lethal force trying to defend non-lethal force.
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« Reply #121 on: July 11, 2012, 03:42:38 pm » |
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Joe Horn made it through fine. He warned the dispatcher he was going outside to confront two burglars who broke in to his neighbor's house, then managed to shoot both, kill one, and walks free. The operator said, “You’re going to get yourself shot.” But Mr. Horn replied, “You want to make a bet? I’m going to kill them.” Moments later he said, “Well here it goes, buddy. You hear the shotgun clicking and I’m going.”Then again, that was Texas. On June 30, 2008 a Harris County grand jury cleared Mr. Horn by issuing a no-bill after two weeks of testimony.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLtKCC7z0yc
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« Reply #122 on: July 12, 2012, 08:19:39 am » |
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Joe Horn made it through fine. He warned the dispatcher he was going outside to confront two burglars who broke in to his neighbor's house, then managed to shoot both, kill one, and walks free. The operator said, “You’re going to get yourself shot.” But Mr. Horn replied, “You want to make a bet? I’m going to kill them.” Moments later he said, “Well here it goes, buddy. You hear the shotgun clicking and I’m going.”Then again, that was Texas. On June 30, 2008 a Harris County grand jury cleared Mr. Horn by issuing a no-bill after two weeks of testimony.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLtKCC7z0ycFellow confronted a burglar at his neighbor’s in Tulsa a year or two back over behind the Best Buy off Skelly Drive and ended up dead. Stay in your locked house and call the cops. If they try to come in your house, then act.
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« Reply #123 on: July 12, 2012, 08:27:06 am » |
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Fellow confronted a burglar at his neighbor’s in Tulsa a year or two back over behind the Best Buy off Skelly Drive and ended up dead. Stay in your locked house and call the cops. If they try to come in your house, then act.
Castle Doctrine material right there (your suggestion, that is). And I was told it extends to your vehicle as well. Which kind of goes at odds to what happened to Mr. Gumm, if I'm assessing it correctly.
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« Reply #124 on: July 12, 2012, 08:37:50 am » |
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Castle Doctrine material right there (your suggestion, that is). And I was told it extends to your vehicle as well. Which kind of goes at odds to what happened to Mr. Gumm, if I'm assessing it correctly.
IIRC, Gumm got backed around his car once or twice after he pulled his gun with the other guy screaming he was going to “end him”. Gumm was 67 at the time and this other guy was in his early 40’s, drunk, and I think the tox report was positive for meth, so he was nuttier than squirrel turds. I believe he had a reasonable fear of great bodily harm, if not death. Gumm probably should have simply stayed in his car with the windows rolled up and called 911. If the guy then proceeded to break his window or try to plow into his car, he could reasonably have a better claim of self-defense under SYG. There are enough people around that parking lot who could have helped diffuse the situation. I’ve also been told that Gumm, like Jerome Erslund, said too much to the investigating officers thinking he had a clear-cut case of SYG. Gumm also ignored advice of attorneys the NRA provided him. He didn’t do any time but he cannot legally own a gun. Last I saw him, he was walking the river trails with a very large walking stick. Lesson in both cases is that adrenaline will make you do things by reaction and without much thought. First call after 911 needs to be to your attorney.
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« Reply #125 on: July 12, 2012, 08:50:06 am » |
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Castle Doctrine material right there (your suggestion, that is). And I was told it extends to your vehicle as well. Which kind of goes at odds to what happened to Mr. Gumm, if I'm assessing it correctly.
My understanding of the Castle Doctrine as it applies to your vehicle is it applies as long as your in it, and not in the drivers seat.
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« Reply #126 on: July 12, 2012, 09:42:46 am » |
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Fellow confronted a burglar at his neighbor’s in Tulsa a year or two back over behind the Best Buy off Skelly Drive and ended up dead. Stay in your locked house and call the cops. If they try to come in your house, then act.
That is why you don't confront people without a gun and the willingness to use it. Guns aren't to threaten or intimidate people, they are strictly for defense. (That is why firing a warning shot often negates any sort of self defense claim.)
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« Reply #127 on: July 12, 2012, 09:51:17 am » |
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That is why you don't confront people without a gun and the willingness to use it. Guns aren't to threaten or intimidate people, they are strictly for defense. (That is why firing a warning shot often negates any sort of self defense claim.)
Warning shot is the Hollywood BS fantasy stupid thing to do. It has no place in any real world scenario EVER!
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« Reply #128 on: July 12, 2012, 12:33:26 pm » |
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Warning shot is the Hollywood BS fantasy stupid thing to do. It has no place in any real world scenario EVER!
Plus, it's criminal. Well, if you do it within city limits it is. And could also be considered brandishing.
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Libertarianism is a system of beliefs for people who think adolescence is the epitome of human achievement.
Global warming isn't real because it was cold today. Also great news: world famine is over because I just ate - Stephen Colbert.
Somebody find Guido an ambulance to chase...
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« Reply #131 on: December 04, 2019, 06:18:42 pm » |
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Sadly there is evil in the world. Zimmerman is an example of that.
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« Reply #132 on: December 11, 2019, 05:02:15 pm » |
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Competing hard with Trump to be the most disgusting person in the US.
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"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?" --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.
I don’t share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently. I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.
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