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Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: Double A on November 30, 2007, 09:11:04 pm
It was just reported on the news.

http://www.bradytheater.com/


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: RecycleMichael on November 30, 2007, 09:51:33 pm
Look for a new operator and business plan soon. This will allow for some needed remodeling.

I thought Peter Mayo was working out a deal to sell it to Steve Alter. The lease/purchase deal was supposed to go through about now.

Does anyone know if that is still the plan?


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: sgrizzle on December 01, 2007, 10:48:01 am
I noticed Wednesday that they are starting to reroof it. Obviously there is some plan, just not a disclosed one as of yet.


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: FOTD on December 01, 2007, 01:28:01 pm
The Areema and east endz districts seem to take priority over the Brady ....

"This whole area of town needs a lot of attention," Mayo says. "There are three venues here -- Cain's, the Brady and the new arena. This area of town needs to be an entertainment district."

From KJRH:
According to owner Peter Mayo, the theater will remain closed until March or April.

During that time, he plans some repairs to the building.

He tells 2NEWS that he will no longer lease the building to an outside company.

Mayo plans to book acts himself in the future.

Maybe PM will do some occasional shows. Hope the previous lessee did not harm the place. Too bad Alter or Johnnie Brachard could not get the deal done.

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. ~Bertrand Russell



Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: sgrizzle on December 01, 2007, 08:05:58 pm
Sounds to me like he is trying to turn the brady into a more profitable venue. I think as long as the boulder bridge is closed, brady will suffer.


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: RecycleMichael on December 01, 2007, 09:47:20 pm
Peter Mayo was on channel 6 tonight and said he was just closing for a few months to do some minor things and some "cleanups". He said the Brady would be back booking shows in March of next year.

I was hoping for more. I love the Brady, but it really shows it's age lately.


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: Conan71 on December 01, 2007, 11:48:26 pm
Shows it's age???  It's the "Old Lady" for crying out loud...


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: cannon_fodder on December 03, 2007, 10:24:43 am
For those that paid attention 2-3 months ago...

They lost their contract with the promotions company.

quote:
10/3/2007
I can’t really comment on that right now, but I will say this: you’ll notice there are no shows scheduled past November and you’ll notice that Road Work Entertainment (our promoter) is doing several shows through this year and well into next at other venues.


Without a promoter, may as well close down to take care of a few things.  Hope it comes back strong.


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: FOTD on December 03, 2007, 12:58:54 pm
The Brady owner should have lots of "promoter" contacts. The big question in Tulsa is....how many acts, how many concert goers and how much disposable income.

JB is a promoter.
He was promoting a buy of the Brady with opm.
The group he had assembled may still do shows at Mabee center....maybe. It's looking sad too.
The building that is....


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: cannon_fodder on December 03, 2007, 01:49:04 pm
FOTD, I don't think you understand.

The Promoter had an exclusive contract with the Brady to book acts.  In most entertainment fields a promoter is like an exclusive distributor.   No promoter contract, no national acts.

Its not the guy who runs around putting fliers on windshields at Wal-Mart.


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: jne on December 03, 2007, 03:50:17 pm
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder

FOTD, I don't think you understand.

The Promoter had an exclusive contract with the Brady to book acts.  In most entertainment fields a promoter is like an exclusive distributor.   No promoter contract, no national acts.

Its not the guy who runs around putting fliers on windshields at Wal-Mart.


That may be, but just because its a 'national' act doesn't necessarily make it profitable.  The promoter had a few good acts, but ventriloquists  and whirling dervishes along with the semi-retired and one hit wonder groups???  They had some strange acts and while ticket prices were often pretty steep for 'B' acts, I'll bet they overpaid them.  As far as music goes, you don't have to be a big-time promoter to attract shows that will sell out, but most acts will be hit and miss.  The Brady is a great venue, I think they could get by long enough to attract a new lease or contract with a group to do promotions.


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: cannon_fodder on December 03, 2007, 04:13:21 pm
I hear ya jne. Named acts like BB King often have exclusive contracts with XYZ promoter or their agent will only deal with a set list of promoters.  The whole industry is set up to make sure the pie is distributed around.

Without that hookup, I am under the impression that it would be hard for the Brady to keep acts booked.  They could have local bands play every weekend and the like, but to justify a 4K seat venue it would be hard.

I have minimal experience in this regard (while in undergrad I worked on a committee to book Nelly, P Funk, 3 Doors Down and the like to campus... it was run as a student non-profit.  Pretty cool actually.), but there it is as I understand it.  Totally open to correction if someone has a better feel or if my view is antiquated/flat wrong.


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: FOTD on December 03, 2007, 04:26:45 pm
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I hear ya jne. Named acts like BB King often have exclusive contracts with XYZ promoter or their agent will only deal with a set list of promoters.  The whole industry is set up to make sure the pie is distributed around.

Without that hookup, I am under the impression that it would be hard for the Brady to keep acts booked.  They could have local bands play every weekend and the like, but to justify a 4K seat venue it would be hard.

I have minimal experience in this regard (while in undergrad I worked on a committee to book Nelly, P Funk, 3 Doors Down and the like to campus... it was run as a student non-profit.  Pretty cool actually.), but there it is as I understand it.  Totally open to correction if someone has a better feel or if my view is antiquated/flat wrong.



All it takes is money and contracts.
But the promoter who books a number of shows in a tour has a leg up.
The Brady will get a few shows for this reason.
The Brady will line themselves up with a couple of regional promoters who need a show filler here and there for 1800 seats.(not 4000).
The main problem lies with the entire music industry which sucks these days.


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: Oil Capital on December 03, 2007, 06:47:11 pm
Man, I sure hope they can turn it around and make it work.  I personally like the Brady, and the Brady Arts District badly needs the anchor that it could provide.


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: FOTD on December 03, 2007, 11:23:21 pm
Amen to that. But there are higher priorities....like the east end which has gotten most the attention during the last several years.


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: jne on December 04, 2007, 12:36:26 pm
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I hear ya jne. Named acts like BB King often have exclusive contracts with XYZ promoter or their agent will only deal with a set list of promoters.  The whole industry is set up to make sure the pie is distributed around.

Without that hookup, I am under the impression that it would be hard for the Brady to keep acts booked.  They could have local bands play every weekend and the like, but to justify a 4K seat venue it would be hard.

I have minimal experience in this regard (while in undergrad I worked on a committee to book Nelly, P Funk, 3 Doors Down and the like to campus... it was run as a student non-profit.  Pretty cool actually.), but there it is as I understand it.  Totally open to correction if someone has a better feel or if my view is antiquated/flat wrong.



1800 seats sounds correct for the Brady.  4000 seats is another ball game.  It is true that lots of big names who are successful in record sales have their souls chained to a label.  These labels are owned by one of a few megamedia companies and they have exclusive arrangements with promoters and even venues, but their are outsider successes who have found their success in performing and managed to stay free of the media giant slave trade.  They should be going after some of these, but it won't be easy with Cain's down the road.  They will definitely need to find more traditional theater venue acts and that will mean that they will eventually have to find a relationship with a real promotion group.  For now, I would look for big live performance bands that draw in college kids and trust fund hippies - in the vein of Widespread Panic. Also, I think comedy acts could do great with the right in house promotion and have the potential to be a big bang for the buck.  And then, we can give em hell here on the forums:)


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: FOTD on December 04, 2007, 12:57:15 pm
It's all up hill. We should be grateful to have a good local family taking care of her.
I wish the city and other adjacent and nearby property owners would get behind the district.

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. ~Bertrand Russell


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: jne on December 04, 2007, 01:43:19 pm
Maybe Cain's should should cut them in and use it for appropriate shows that are sure to sell the Cain's out with plenty to spare or that have strict seating requirements.  They can also double book big acts that appeal to very different demographics.


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: FOTD on December 04, 2007, 01:49:49 pm
quote:
Originally posted by jne

Maybe Cain's should should cut them in and use it for appropriate shows that are sure to sell the Cain's out with plenty to spare or that have strict seating requirements.  They can also double book big acts that appeal to very different demographics.



Absolutely! I think that possibility exists for sure.

BUT,
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. ~Bertrand Russell


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: PonderInc on December 05, 2007, 04:36:57 pm
I am a huge fan of the Old Lady.  Cains is a great venue, too, but I guess I'm becoming an old lady, myself, b/c I like to have the option of sitting down to listen to music!

While the arena will be fine for the big acts, I love the Brady for the intimacy: The feeling that a performer is playing in your living room...you're that close, even if you sit in the balcony.

The Old Lady is irreplaceable.  I've got my fingers crossed.  If Mayo is going to re-open in March or April, we should be seeing tickets going on sale soon....I hope he's booking them now!

(Did anybody else hear the rumor about somebody wanting to turn the Brady into a sort of Grand Ol Opry House?  What happened to that one?)


Title: Old Lady on Brady closing the doors?
Post by: FOTD on December 05, 2007, 05:18:44 pm
quote:
Originally posted by PonderInc

I am a huge fan of the Old Lady.  Cains is a great venue, too, but I guess I'm becoming an old lady, myself, b/c I like to have the option of sitting down to listen to music!

While the arena will be fine for the big acts, I love the Brady for the intimacy: The feeling that a performer is playing in your living room...you're that close, even if you sit in the balcony.

The Old Lady is irreplaceable.  I've got my fingers crossed.  If Mayo is going to re-open in March or April, we should be seeing tickets going on sale soon....I hope he's booking them now!

(Did anybody else hear the rumor about somebody wanting to turn the Brady into a sort of Grand Ol Opry House?  What happened to that one?)



I'd heard that rumor too. Broadcast some wealthy cow poke whose name was not recognizable. I think it meant "single use" which would pre empt any concerts. Worse, the Halloween party....