The Tulsa Forum by TulsaNow

While I understand the repeal of the third grade testing/punishment system, but Fallin and crew went ahead and repealed common core as well. While I've seen plenty of complaints on here about current school teaching methods, I've seen very few direct ties to common core itself since common core is a set of guidelines about what needs to be taught, not who teaches it or what worksheet to use. It doesn't make the teachers any better and

Now, it turns out there are consequences of repealing common core. See, we didn't have a set of standards to replace it with. Our current direction is just "do your best"

Because of this, the state of Oklahoma was declared as non-compliant with federal standards, and now the Feds will be taking control of at least a portion of all school budgets.

Boy, I'm sure glad we got rid of all that government oppression by repealing common core.

Reason No. __ my kids will never attend public schools.

Mary Failin' - living up to her name every day, in every way!

As much smile as she steps in her shoes must look like this:

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I am completely blown away by how much my kids have learned in just the past couple of weeks since we took them out of the public system.
My daughter's teacher said that she is behind but will be a good two grade levels above the public standard by the end of this semester.  She comes home excited about learning math & science, two subjects that only frustrated her before. Both kids can't wait to get to the dinner table to tell us everything about their day, and the term "best day ever!" is a common theme.

We were really worried about them starting way behind the other students who grew up in that school, but the teachers seem to really have a plan for bringing them up to speed that they are falling right into.

So, I'm at least up to reason #3 or #4 now.  :)
Probably won't have any money to retire on, but at least I'll have wealthy kids to support me, and keep my diaper changed. 

You haven't been watching overall economic trends all that closely, have you?

Feds Say No Waiver for Oklahoma Schools

http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/feds-say-no-waiver-oklahoma-schools (http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/feds-say-no-waiver-oklahoma-schools)

Ahh...just what we need - lose some Federal funding on top of the $200 million already taken from education!!



Gee...I wonder why 40% of our kids can't read at their grade level..?

And about a quarter drop out of high school...

And I read that part of the Lindsey Nicole Henry scholarship was ruled unconstitutional by a local district court judge in OKC. That's Fallin's fault too.

Are you upset over the loss of funding, or that this state did not obediently accept common core just to get the money?

You sure have the whipped dog thing hidden under your garments.

It does suck that because Oklahoma's so freaked out by these jackasses on the far right that the state deliberately takes steps to lose federal funding.

"There!  We aren't part of Obama's government's puppet theater!"

The less Oklahoma educates its children, the better chance Oklahoma will retain a government like it has right now.

Common Core is a bad thing. Mary Fallin did good.

Quick, without looking it up, explain Common Core.

Yep. Precisely what the feds expect the states to do. Next softball, please. I really do not think you are even trying any more.

Say's the A/V dude from high school...

Jindal files suit over Common Core. I do not know much about this website.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/171905-gov-bobby-jindal-takes-fight-obamas-doorstep-files-lawsuit-common-core/

On the upside, it looks like common core is supported in some form by Mike Huckabee. So you pro CC people have that guy on your side.

And you've got Jindal on yours.

I got NO problem with that. Can you say the same about Huckabee?

Public schools need to be fixed so you would have no reason to say that.

I went to Public schools in suburban Philadelphia, PA.  They did a good job preparing me for college.  They did not so good a job for my brother.  He went to TJC and then TU and did OK.  My sister basically repeated 8th grade in 9th grade Bixby schools.  She eventually did fine, getting a PhD in some kind of liberal arts thing.

Couldn't care less about common core.  To me it's just another gimmick to try to short circuit what is proven methodology.  Like computers in the classroom of elementary schools - idiocy!  Grows a bunch of video gamers....and of course, THAT is just what we need....  

What I care about is educating kids so they can become productive members of society.  3 basics that are mandatory to learning how to learn are what people understood and taught 40, 50, 75, 100 years ago.  Reading.  Writing.  Arithmetic.  Once those are mastered, then move on to other stuff.  "Other stuff" is also naturally and rationally fit into those 3 topics.

McGuffey Reader for 3rd grade....how many high school graduates in OK today can read it with adequate comprehension?  (OH, NO!!  Articulation??  How can 3rd graders possibly be expected to understand that big a word...??)

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14766/14766-pdf.pdf

A certain amount of editing would be required for public schools, but private schools could run with it as-is.  I have heard rumors that some are.  And I know a couple of home schooler's that are using the McGuffey series.

And Ray's took care of the math - with none of those idiotic tic-tac-toe addition drawings!  In the public domain!!  That means free to use, for the high school graduates amongst us.

https://archive.org/stream/cu31924031236627#page/n37/mode/2up

I always wanted to do that - it looked like so much fun!!  Plus, time outside of class moving equipment around....

Why fix public schools? Because you and yours turned out okay? My wife and I both went to public schools too, and we turned out okay. Back then, though, they were focused on teaching and not laboratories for social engineering. I have thrown in the towel, and have zero desire to subject my kids to that nonsense. Private schools allow more input from parents, and are certainly more responsive.

You understand you just undermined your own argument against Fallin for her opposing Common Core, right?

Not until you just told him......

If we don't fix public schools, we will wind up with private schools funded with vouchers (tax money) and strings attached.  You will still have all the government interference.   As public schools go away, there will be bad private schools funded with tax money.  Bad private schools will stay in business because there will be no other place to send your kids if all the good private schools are full.  Ultimately we will end up with the same mess.

Getting back to teaching and revamping the social engineering is part of what needs to be fixed.  I say revamp rather than remove social engineering because apparently a lot of kids don't get the social values from home they need to live in society.  Private schools associated with a religion will certainly have some social agenda involved.  Whether or not that agenda is proper or evil will depend on your religion.

Common Core is a very tiny part of why I oppose Failin'.  She is wrong on that, too, but she is even more wrong on her general approach to education.  As are most.

Why fix public schools?

Geez....for someone who says he grew up as one of us unwashed masses, it certainly didn't take long to forget the roots.   Because not everyone can afford the $30k plus per kid to go to private school....as almost half the working people in this country make about that per year as their total compensation.   Duh...!!!

But like the European elite said..."let them eat cake"..."Qu'ils mangent de la brioche".

Elitist commentary on the condition of the working poor in Europe at the time (not Maire, as urban myth would have it), upon learning that the peasants had no bread. Since brioche was made from dough enriched with butter and eggs, making it more expensive than bread, the quote supposedly would reflect the tru obliviousness as to the condition of the people.

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I had an elderly relative who couldn't understand why she should pay school taxes when she didn't have any kids in school. I said that we all derive a common benefit from helping to educate other people's children, because one of them may be working on my brakes someday. He could be my doctor or dentist. Today's student may be the technician who maintains my cellular network.

There was a push back in the 30's to provide children with only those skills they'd need as adults, effectively turning the school system into a training ground for industry. Fortunately, it was never implemented because people recognized the folly of turning out students with only a narrow range of skills. Specialization works well for insects but less so for people. I think one of the other effects would lead to the development of a permanent underclass that would be under-educated and easily manipulated.

Somehow we ended up with one.

Because that has been part of the plan.

Kinda has been implemented - not overtly, but covertly.

We have lost most of the arts in public schools - probably because they have been shown to enhance learning and intellect, as well as making a well rounded person who can function much better in a complex society.  But since the desired result is the opposite of that, well, we are headed toward - if not already arrived at - the permanent underclass, under-educated, and easily manipulated.  As demonstrated so obviously by Oklahoma election results.

I've skimmed some reading on poverty this afternoon, noting that it fell from a high of about 21% in the 1950s to about 11-12% through the first Bush and Clinton presidencies. It climbed to 15% in 2012. The ups and down coincide with unemployment rates, though that shouldn't be a surprise.

But we all believe that education is a pathway out of poverty, yet our society places little value on it. Our state has reduced funding to a shocking extent. Frankly, I'd rather see my tax monies going toward public schools instead of bombing some third world country on the far side of the globe.

Since the 1970s, poverty level wages have remained stagnant when adjusted for inflation. The majority of the poor work in low wage jobs. It would seem the smart move would be to simply increase the minimum wage, essentially adding a tax on those businesses that rely on low wages. They wouldn't absorb the cost, of course, because they'd pass it on to consumers.

Keep reading that stuff - you will reach the point where it has been shown that the so-called "bad effects" of raising minimum wage don't exist.  It has always been a benefit to the economy from bottom to top.

Increasing the minimum wage would have a short term beneficial effect.  As you noted, the cost would be passed on and eventually we would be in the same sinking boat except that folks on fixed income (my mom) would be even worse off due to inflation.  You are old enough to consider this a threat to your life style.  The true solution is through education to increase the skills of the "average" worker. Getting the "underclass" to understand this is the problem.  There will always be a need for someone to sweep the floor but that should not be a career.

That isn't how that works....that isn't how any of this works.... and you can save money in only 7 minutes....

And we have over 70 years of experience with the truth - in spite of the RWRE lies about it.

The people who keep spreading that lie are either to intellectually lazy to go find the reality, or are intentionally lying for the agenda.