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« Reply #195 on: May 07, 2015, 08:02:59 pm » |
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This part of the Patriot Act expires June first. Wanna bet that Congress amends the wording to make NSA snooping okay AND that the prez signs it?
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« Reply #197 on: May 08, 2015, 11:41:00 am » |
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« Reply #198 on: May 08, 2015, 11:50:45 am » |
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Wondering how long it will be before someone asks who that is and why it's relevant. And not because I don't know..because as someone who grew up with Saturday morning kids shows, I know exactly who this is.
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Libertarianism is a system of beliefs for people who think adolescence is the epitome of human achievement.
Global warming isn't real because it was cold today. Also great news: world famine is over because I just ate - Stephen Colbert.
Somebody find Guido an ambulance to chase...
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« Reply #199 on: May 08, 2015, 12:10:57 pm » |
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Wondering how long it will be before someone asks who that is and why it's relevant.
And not because I don't know..because as someone who grew up with Saturday morning kids shows, I know exactly who this is.
She's what comes to mind any time someone mentions ISIS.
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patric
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« Reply #200 on: May 08, 2015, 01:22:09 pm » |
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She's what comes to mind any time someone mentions ISIS.
or an attack by ISIS as the "credible but non-specific" fear machine is spinning up in time for the Patriot Act vote.
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"Tulsa will lay off police and firemen before we will cut back on unnecessarily wasteful streetlights." -- March 18, 2009 TulsaNow Forum
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Vashta Nerada
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« Reply #201 on: May 31, 2015, 05:01:34 pm » |
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What I'm still concerned about is that our elected leaders don't even seem to get the debate: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/15/boehner-nsa-snooping-helped-stop-capitol-bomb-plot/?page=allBoehner says that the Ohio mans plot to bomb something in DC was caught because of phone surveillance. I don't think anyone is debating the fact that if the government listens to citizens' phone calls, they will catch bad people. Just like if police were free to randomly stop and search cars, or randomly enter homes, they'd certainly catch bad people. That is all beyond a doubt. The debate is: is listening to 330,000,000 million US citizens' phone calls justified by the possibility of occasionally catching a bad guy? We are trading freedom for security. We are granting the government more power sow e can feel safer. There is always a balance in play. And where that balance lies SHOULD be a matter of public debate. Certainly it started off far to the "government stay the hell out of my business and no, you can't search crap without a warrant" end of the spectrum and has shifted more to the "freedom for security" theme as we've gone along. Particularly in the last couple of decades. But that debate should be public. We wouldn't even be having the debate if Snowden wouldn't have broken the law and tipped us all off about it. And why the hell are the conservatives fighting for more government power? The world has gone tipsy-turvey! "We need NSA wiretaps to prevent domestic terror like the biker war in Waco"
No. The DEA had been surrepetitiously sharing its own illegal wiretap data with Waco police long before the massacre, and may have been insturmental in the pre-deployment of heavily-armed SWAT teams at the Twin Peaks restaurant.
Perhaps it was a poorly-planned warrant or drug sweep; we may not know for some time. It is believed Waco police were responsible for most of the gunfire and deaths there, but even then, a militarized presence in and of itself was unprovoked and unwarranted escalation.
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« Reply #202 on: June 03, 2015, 02:21:16 pm » |
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Don't worry guys, we fixed this problem now. Under the "USA Freedom Act" the government can still read your emails (have to wait 6 months), review your checkout history from libraries, find out what classes you are taking, and pull all your medical or financial records. But, they have made it so the NSA has to get a FISA Warrant to gather data on all your contacts and where you and said contacts are at all times.
The FISA Court has been in place since ~1980. Since that time they have rejected three (3) warrant requests.
So we are totally safe now. Rejected one request a decade sounds like checks and balances to me. Really a good compromise. It's like handing the mugger your wallet, but making him say "thank you" before he kicks you in the nuts and walks away.
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« Reply #203 on: June 03, 2015, 02:26:39 pm » |
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Wondering how long it will be before someone asks who that is and why it's relevant.
And not because I don't know..because as someone who grew up with Saturday morning kids shows, I know exactly who this is.
You are young! I could plop the kids in front of tv and that is one that would keep their attention pretty well. They also liked the Beverly Hillbillies...deep into re-runs by the 70's....
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"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?" --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.
I don’t share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently. I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.
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« Reply #205 on: July 19, 2015, 06:30:23 pm » |
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Don't worry guys, we fixed this problem now. Under the "USA Freedom Act" the government can still read your emails (have to wait 6 months), review your checkout history from libraries, find out what classes you are taking, and pull all your medical or financial records. But, they have made it so the NSA has to get a FISA Warrant to gather data on all your contacts and where you and said contacts are at all times.
The FISA Court has been in place since ~1980. Since that time they have rejected three (3) warrant requests.
So we are totally safe now. Rejected one request a decade sounds like checks and balances to me. Really a good compromise. It's like handing the mugger your wallet, but making him say "thank you" before he kicks you in the nuts and walks away.
It isnt about terrorism. It never was. http://www.wired.com/2015/07/drug-war-driving-us-domestic-spying/In many ways, drug cases subsidize the surveillance technology used by law enforcement.
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« Reply #206 on: July 22, 2015, 08:06:21 pm » |
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She's what comes to mind any time someone mentions ISIS.
There's a new Isis. When not giving Swedish Massages to Travel Gnome, she overhead lifts grown men and works out with economy cars.
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« Reply #207 on: July 23, 2015, 09:18:51 am » |
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All this over a measly 3,500 wire taps? Come on guys, you can do better than that.
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« Reply #209 on: October 29, 2015, 01:18:09 pm » |
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Despite promises, technology will always get away from you. A runaway communications surveillance blimp in Pennsylvania.
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"Tulsa will lay off police and firemen before we will cut back on unnecessarily wasteful streetlights." -- March 18, 2009 TulsaNow Forum
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