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« Reply #2880 on: April 03, 2018, 12:19:04 pm » |
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Everything I thought I know is a lie. The earth really is flat. Facts aren't subjective (or are they)? |
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« Reply #2882 on: April 03, 2018, 12:57:55 pm » |
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Libertarianism is a system of beliefs for people who think adolescence is the epitome of human achievement.
Global warming isn't real because it was cold today. Also great news: world famine is over because I just ate - Stephen Colbert.
Somebody find Guido an ambulance to chase...
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« Reply #2883 on: April 03, 2018, 01:02:10 pm » |
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Here's why this is sad: You can objectively measure how often a news station or a public figure fails to tell the truth. When Trump is speaking, he is usually NOT telling the truth. Only 31% of what he says is "mostly true" or better. Corrections are not given: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/When CNN is speaking, they are telling the truth most of the time, 73% of the time. Weird to brag about 73% accuracy, but such is the state of things: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/cnn/Oh well, the latest poll has his approval rating back down to 44%. Rolling average of polls still around 42%, the rolling average hasn't been positive for over a year... if you think such things matter in March in a mid-term year. Which they did yesterday, but now that the numbers are negative again I suppose they don't matter anymore (like the markets). But hey, we've gone a day and a half this week without new indictments, top level turnover, a new trade war, or another woman coming forward to tell a story about the President. Good week so far! Wait, dang. I see someone else was sentenced today in the corruption investigation. Quick, Tweet something ridiculous (9 tweets and counting)! The objectivity part of your measurement is "what is measured". They don't take every comment Trump makes and rate it, same for CNN. In other words, potentially selection bias. I'm not saying that Politifact is biased (it's arguable for sure), but you just have to take this into account when you make statements like you did. Essentially, using PolitiFact as a statistic of some kind is a really bad idea. That all being said, I'm sure Trump lies more than all the anchors combined on CNN, but again, when Trump chimes "Fake News", it's not so much that people think CNN is outright lying, it's that CNN omits facts that are counter to the narrative they are trying to push. |
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"Trust but Verify." - The Gipper
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« Reply #2884 on: April 03, 2018, 02:17:35 pm » |
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Its easy to find many, many sources documenting presidential lies. People combed over records to call out Bush, Obama, and Trump. It just so happens they catch Trump lying magnitudes more times in a year than Obama or Bush in 8 years. I doubt the Trump haters are that much better at fact checking than the "Bush lied" folks or the rapid Obama is a Mooslem people. And saying the Knight Foundation gave money to X, which gave money to Y, which funded Z, so Z is biased because the Knight foundation gave money to a Clinton charity - is a poor illustration of bias. The Knight Foundation gives away more than $100,000,000 a year in support of " ideas that promote quality journalism, advance media innovation, engage communities and foster the arts." Surely you can draw a line between them, some organization, and some cause to call out bias for or against just about anything you want. Heck, they are strong 1st Amendment defenders. I'm guessing they funded someone who funded someone who went to Court to defend the rights of some jerk to say some truly horrible things (general nature of many 1st Amendment cases)...that doesn't mean they are biased in favor of those horrible things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._and_James_L._Knight_FoundationFacts matter. Bias isn't the same as facts, but it matters too. We have terribly skewed the notion of who is likely to tell the truth and who is likely to intentionally mislead people. A lack of a common basis of fact is likely the largest correctable factor that is destroying politics in our country. |
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« Reply #2885 on: April 04, 2018, 06:54:14 am » |
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The objectivity part of your measurement is "what is measured". They don't take every comment Trump makes and rate it, same for CNN. In other words, potentially selection bias. I'm not saying that Politifact is biased (it's arguable for sure), but you just have to take this into account when you make statements like you did. Essentially, using PolitiFact as a statistic of some kind is a really bad idea.
That all being said, I'm sure Trump lies more than all the anchors combined on CNN, but again, when Trump chimes "Fake News", it's not so much that people think CNN is outright lying, it's that CNN omits facts that are counter to the narrative they are trying to push.
Oh, please.....MinionSpeak all the way. Denial - not just a river in Egypt. |
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"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?" --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.
I don’t share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently. I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.
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« Reply #2886 on: April 04, 2018, 09:45:59 am » |
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Facts matter. Bias isn't the same as facts, but it matters too. We have terribly skewed the notion of who is likely to tell the truth and who is likely to intentionally mislead people. A lack of a common basis of fact is likely the largest correctable factor that is destroying politics in our country.
That sounds almost sensible. If only it didn't come from a mouth-breathing pedophile supporter who hates people who are disabled. Oh. Wait. I see what you did there. (Sorry, sometimes I am better at stirring the pot and pointing out stupidity than I am at getting into the mud and wrestling with the pigs.) |
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« Reply #2887 on: April 04, 2018, 10:36:50 am » |
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That all being said, I'm sure Trump lies more than all the anchors combined on CNN, but again, when Trump chimes "Fake News", it's not so much that people think CNN is outright lying, it's that CNN omits facts that are counter to the narrative they are trying to push.
That's not when Trump claims "fake news", when something is critical of Trump, it's fake, when it's not, it's wonderful. |
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« Reply #2888 on: April 04, 2018, 10:37:40 am » |
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If only it didn't come from a mouth-breathing pedophile supporter who hates people who are disabled.
Trump is demonstrably both of those things. |
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« Reply #2889 on: April 04, 2018, 11:53:12 am » |
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Trump is demonstrably both of those things.
"Demonstrably" Meh. Walked backstage at his own competition, not like he felt them up. Larry Nassar... Now that dude is demonstrably. |
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« Reply #2890 on: April 04, 2018, 12:00:24 pm » |
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"Demonstrably" Meh. Walked backstage at his own competition, not like he felt them up.
Larry Nassar... Now that dude is demonstrably.
I would argue that he's got a long history of disturbing activity with young teenaged girls, but you said "pedophile supporter", and he did support Roy Moore. |
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« Reply #2891 on: April 04, 2018, 12:33:22 pm » |
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not like he felt them up.
felt them up with his eyesProbably took mental pictures. |
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« Reply #2892 on: April 05, 2018, 07:52:43 am » |
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That sounds almost sensible. If only it didn't come from a mouth-breathing pedophile supporter who hates people who are disabled.
Oh. Wait. I see what you did there.
(Sorry, sometimes I am better at stirring the pot and pointing out stupidity than I am at getting into the mud and wrestling with the pigs.)
And when would that be?? Certainly not with this post. You highlight your Minion status by attempting to disparage people who talk about the pedophile and overall vile person doing those things. But hey, that's what Minion-ism is all about isn't it? Deflection, projection, etc. Are you also against all the teachers and educated people in the state? Like Failin' and McDugle?? |
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"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?" --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.
I don’t share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently. I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.
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« Reply #2893 on: April 05, 2018, 07:55:42 am » |
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"Demonstrably" Meh. Walked backstage at his own competition, not like he felt them up.
Larry Nassar... Now that dude is demonstrably.
Rationalization for pedophile activity. If it were YOUR daughter standing there naked, how would you feel?? Truthfully, please, not MinionSpeak.... "...not like he felt them up..." Really choice. |
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"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?" --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.
I don’t share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently. I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.
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« Reply #2894 on: April 05, 2018, 08:34:09 am » |
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If it were YOUR daughter standing there naked, how would you feel??
Have you seen his trophy wives and hiring of porn stars? If he had a thing for kids, I would put money on the fact that it would have come out by now. Personally, I believe that he was walking through as the event sponsor, not to go perv on the teenagers. But hey. You and I obviously don't see eye to eye. |
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