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Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: Mike 01Hawk on February 23, 2009, 09:00:01 am Was that ever talked about when it was being designed?
Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: Ibanez on February 23, 2009, 09:14:32 am Survey says......
no Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: dbacks fan on February 23, 2009, 09:24:51 am Once a toll road, always a toll road. Turner, Will Rogers and H.E. Bailey, 50 plus years as money makers for the OTA. At least the monet they make is suppposed to go back into the roads.
Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: rwarn17588 on February 23, 2009, 09:57:56 am To make the toll roads free, you'd have to have an increase in fuel taxes to compensate. I don't see it happening.
Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: Townsend on February 23, 2009, 10:25:46 am Imagine the Turnpike Authority reaction.
Never happen. Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: sauerkraut on February 23, 2009, 11:23:14 am Dream on~ Once a toll road always a toll road. The state Oklahoma always talked about getting rid of the tolls one day, but that day never comes. In Ohio they were to get rid of the toll on the Ohio Turnpike once the road was paid off, but when the time came and the road was paid off, they decided to keep the toll for road up-keep & road repair. The only toll road I know of that gone away was the Dallas-Fort Worth I-30 TurnPike, it got paid off in 1978 and they made the road free. There could be other turnpikes that went away but I don't know of any.[xx(] [B)]
Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: sauerkraut on February 23, 2009, 11:28:29 am quote:Other states have free roads, Michigan has no toll roads. If they can do it why not Oklahoma? Just fund the roads the same way the other states do. Missouri has low fuel taxes and I-44 thru Missouri is free, at the Oklahoma state line it's a toll road. IMO I think the TurnPike Authority gets too big and powerful and many high paying jobs are on the line, so they keep the toll roads. The TurnPike Authority can get very powerful.[xx(] [B)] Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: EricP on February 23, 2009, 01:31:29 pm I'd rather pay the toll than deal with massive potholes, damaged guard rails gone unfixed, sudden decreasing radius turns with off-camber angles.... the only really bad part about the creek is the lack of center median which means the cops love to camp it.
Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: cannon_fodder on February 23, 2009, 04:31:15 pm Michigan has no toll roads because Michigan more than anywhere else benefits from our addiction to cars. The more roads and the less transportation alternatives, the happier Michigan is.
Frankly, I don't mind well managed toll roads. Make the toll primarily pay for THAT road, a real use tax. I understand there will be an operating skim. I also understand that when the road is paid off there will be a skim to subsidize new projects. But PRIMARILY, they should self fund. Use taxes are the most fair taxes available. You use it, you pay for it. I think Tulsa is better off with the Creek turnpike as a toll road than simply not having it. Likewise, the roads primary purpose is to make living outside of Tulsa more convenient. As a Tulsan it doesn't help me in any way to pay for people to commute more quickly from Broken Arrow, etc. That road isn't helping our regional trade or manufacturing, it's a commuter road. I paid for a residents near where I work, so in my selfishness I don't want to subsidize someone else's commuter habits. Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: Gaspar on February 23, 2009, 04:53:24 pm Is the Turnpike Authority a private corporation?
If so, then no. Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: tulsascoot on February 23, 2009, 05:43:30 pm Since I never need to drive on that road, I say leave it alone. Those who use it are the only ones who have to pay for it.
Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: naenae42day on February 23, 2009, 07:26:31 pm quote: I don't think the toll roads will ever go away, but I am curious about states that have managed to have good roads...and no tolls. What do they know that OK doesn't? Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: Markk on February 23, 2009, 09:54:59 pm quote: How to prioritize? Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: YoungTulsan on February 24, 2009, 01:20:16 am LOL
Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: Hoss on February 24, 2009, 07:42:37 am quote: Higher state gas taxes. Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: rwarn17588 on February 24, 2009, 08:55:43 am quote: Higher fuel taxes, and more population from which to generate them. Oklahoma has a double-whammy -- very low gax taxes, and a dinky population with a lot of real estate in which roads are needed. Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: dbacks fan on February 24, 2009, 10:55:18 am Ding! Ding! Ding! Hoss and rwarn, nail on the head!
Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: JoeMommaBlake on February 24, 2009, 12:51:04 pm Oklahoma also has the misfortune of being geographically located in a climate zone that features the exact kind of weather conditions that do roads the most damage.
We can blame politicians all day, but we can't ignore the fact that our freezing and melting and freezing and melting and ice storms and 100 degree days cause more harm to our roads than politicians ever will. Solution? Rail. Public Transit. More Turnpikes. Make it easy to not have a car and annoying to drive one and you'll begin to reverse our "car-centric" ways. We'll have nicer roads, more accessibility, and our public transit hubs and corridors will be appealing areas for economic development. We can't get rid of our weather, but we can lessen its impact on our roads by lessening our dependence on cars. Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: sauerkraut on February 24, 2009, 01:03:07 pm quote:I have been on Oklahoma toll roads that were full of pot holes and with ruff pavement, Kansas also has some bumpy toll roads too, so not all toll roads are well kept.. Michigan is NOT the only state with no toll roads, there are many states with no toll roads. Oklahoma's problem IMO is they have too many toll roads and most of them circle Tulsa. OKC has a free I-35 and I-40 Interstates. Tulsa has no free Interstate highways around the area. (The Tulsa interstate roads are free only inside the metro area, as soon as you leave the metro area the roads all go toll)I think Oklahoma should make at least I-44 free and keep the other roads as toll roads. At the very least I'd like to see I-44 free from Missouri to Tulsa, but even better I'd like I-44 free from Missouri to OKC. Getting rid of one or two toll roads would help alot IMO.[}:)] Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: Danny on February 24, 2009, 04:13:55 pm first, to even call this a turnpike is a joke, the whole idea of a turnpike is to be able to travel long distances, at higher speeds,
the creek (for a large part) has an exit and entrance every mile, and is 65 mph, ist that just an interstate? I myself, boycott the creek. Title: Will the Creek ever be a non-toll road? Post by: Sardonicus Rex on February 25, 2009, 10:50:39 am Seems like I remember hearing once that another contributing factor is that Oklahoma diverts a surprising proportion of its gas tax revenue to non-transportation related issues.
Anybody know if I heard that correctly? |