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Title: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: we vs us on July 06, 2011, 08:31:16 am From the Tulsa World: (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=332&articleid=20110705_332_0_TlaPbi690081&rss_lnk=298,297)
Quote Public meeting set on possible sale of Wilson Middle School By ANDREA EGER World Staff Writer Published: 7/5/2011 5:22 PM Last Modified: 7/5/2011 5:22 PM Tulsa Public Schools has announced a community forum about the possible sale of the Wilson Middle School facility, 1127 S. Columbia Ave. Administrators will explain the "general category" of prospective buyers that have been participating in the bidding process to date and seek neighbors' input at a forum set for 6 p.m. July 12. The "Neighborhood Connection" meeting will be held at the Kendall-Whittier Elementary School library media center, 2601 E. Fifth Place. Wilson is among the 14 TPS properties that are being shuttered as part of an efficiency initiative called Project Schoolhouse. Proceeds from the sale of any of the properties will be added to the projected savings of $5.6 million in school operating costs and help the district weather recent funding cuts by the state legislature. "As we look at the potential sale of some of these school buildings, we want to have a dialogue with the community to ensure we are protective of these neighborhoods," said Superintendent Keith Ballard, in a statement. "It's important that we get feedback and input regarding potential uses from TPS parents and homeowners at the Neighborhood Connection forums. We look forward to hearing what the community has to say, as we investigate the possibilities regarding the sale of Wilson." Anyone have a line on what or who the suitors are? I think at least one or two were mentioned offhandedly in threads past but I can't for the life of me find the references. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: RecycleMichael on July 06, 2011, 08:44:42 am I have heard that The University of Tulsa has expressed interest. I have also heard that TPS might not sell.
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: TulsaGuy on July 06, 2011, 09:00:08 am I have heard rumors of a medical school of some sorts, possibly a partnership between OU and Tulsa.
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: heironymouspasparagus on July 06, 2011, 10:05:45 am Lynn Lane school was torn down and the site razed in the last couple of months. That is one I would love to have bought. Beautiful old building, but hey, when you can get a place for a Quik-Trip, why keep old bricks standing around? (Lynn Lane and 11th)
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: TheArtist on July 06, 2011, 04:16:05 pm I have heard rumors of a medical school of some sorts, possibly a partnership between OU and Tulsa. Doesn't OU already have a medical school near 41st and Yale? I would rather them build up that campus and make it a real campus versus what this town usually does by spreading things so thin all over the place that they are virtually worthless, and more expensive to boot. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: RecycleMichael on July 06, 2011, 04:25:54 pm I understand bids were opened this afternoon and their was only one bidder.
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: YoungTulsan on July 06, 2011, 04:33:48 pm I understand bids were opened this afternoon and their was only one bidder. The Tulsan development tradition is to let the site rot for 10 years, then buy it on the cheap and build something that never would have been tolerated when the site first became available. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: SXSW on July 06, 2011, 06:09:43 pm I imagine TU would be very interested as it could be used to expand their University School freeing up that land for other purposes on their main campus.
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: nathanm on July 06, 2011, 06:34:14 pm Bama probably wants to put a parking lot there to match the one across Delaware. :P
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Breadburner on July 06, 2011, 09:31:34 pm TU low balled it.....
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Jeff P on July 07, 2011, 07:51:31 am Doesn't OU already have a medical school near 41st and Yale? I would rather them build up that campus and make it a real campus versus what this town usually does by spreading things so thin all over the place that they are virtually worthless, and more expensive to boot. Agreed. Especially considering the millions of dollars they've plowed into their 41st and Yale facilities over the past 5-6 years, I would be very surprised if they wanted to do something like this. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Gaspar on July 07, 2011, 08:44:50 am Would be a good opportunity to open a nice private school in that neighborhood.
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: AquaMan on July 07, 2011, 09:02:06 am I agree. Kendall was a successful investment in the neighborhood that would likely feed good students into a quality private middle school.
TU should do that. It would make sense to expand their education business into a possible feeder into their university. I know it sounds crazy, but.... Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: TulsaGuy on July 07, 2011, 09:23:59 am OU does have their OU-Tulsa medical school at 41st and Yale, but aren't they starting a school of community medicine in the coming years? Not sure if this will also be housed at 41st and Yale or if they have another location picked out.
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: swake on July 07, 2011, 09:31:24 am OU does have their OU-Tulsa medical school at 41st and Yale, but aren't they starting a school of community medicine in the coming years? Not sure if this will also be housed at 41st and Yale or if they have another location picked out. Yes, and it's a joint venture with TU http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=17&articleid=20091127_11_A1_Thecre910399 Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: RecycleMichael on July 07, 2011, 10:32:45 am TU low balled it..... $2 million does seems awfully low for such a grand building in that good location. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Breadburner on July 07, 2011, 11:35:22 am $2 million does seems awfully low for such a grand building in that good location. I think so...Not that I blame them for trying....It would cost 10 + times that to duplicate it......I would bet thats not their final or best offer.... Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: SXSW on July 07, 2011, 11:37:45 am OU does have their OU-Tulsa medical school at 41st and Yale, but aren't they starting a school of community medicine in the coming years? Not sure if this will also be housed at 41st and Yale or if they have another location picked out. OU will have a clinic at its Schusterman campus as well as a north Tulsa clinic under construction. Through a partnership with Hillcrest (where OU Physicians is already located) they will likely expand their operations at 11th & Utica. There are some major expansions planned there over the next several years that could be accelerated by OU. The TU partnership involves students at TU's main campus doing science/pre-med and then going into med school at OU with an emphasis on community medicine. Such an expansion at Hillcrest would be beneficial to the surrounding neighborhoods including revitalization efforts in the Pearl and Forrest Orchard. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Conan71 on July 07, 2011, 11:49:57 am I think so...Not that I blame them for trying....It would cost 10 + times that to duplicate it......I would bet thats not their final or best offer.... You think they will re-pupose the building or scrape it? What would FMV be on the dirt alone? If they are planning on building something else there, the economics sound about right if they've got to demo the existing structures or extensively re-hab and remodel the existing structures. The one I'm most interested in seeing what happens is Barnard. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Breadburner on July 07, 2011, 12:03:58 pm You think they will re-pupose the building or scrape it? What would FMV be on the dirt alone? If they are planning on building something else there, the economics sound about right if they've got to demo the existing structures or extensively re-hab and remodel the existing structures. The one I'm most interested in seeing what happens is Barnard. I think they would re-purpose it......I bet Barnard gets scraped...Unless of course someone wants to open a private school..... Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Conan71 on July 07, 2011, 12:34:15 pm I think they would re-purpose it......I bet Barnard gets scraped...Unless of course someone wants to open a private school..... Bumgarner? Tuscan prison? Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Hoss on July 07, 2011, 12:54:31 pm Article on the news last night said that legally the school board couldn't accept the offer unless it was enough to cover bonds that went to upgrades/repair on the property. They said sofar that's about $3 million, so there you have it.
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: patric on July 07, 2011, 12:55:57 pm Bumgarner? Tuscan prison? Nursing home? Or they could find asbestos as soon as TPS washes their hands of it? Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Breadburner on July 07, 2011, 01:14:50 pm Bumgarner? Tuscan prison? Definately within his empire..... Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Gaspar on July 07, 2011, 03:24:30 pm I agree. Kendall was a successful investment in the neighborhood that would likely feed good students into a quality private middle school. TU should do that. It would make sense to expand their education business into a possible feeder into their university. I know it sounds crazy, but.... No it doesn't sound crazy at all, and it would give lower income families the ability to give their kids a quality private education. All they would have to do is apply for the new waver and they would have access to up to $6,900 to pay the tuition. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: AquaMan on July 07, 2011, 06:24:55 pm The problem with Wilson as a TPS middle school was that they over sold it as a magnet program. They were unable to do the things that made Booker T, Thoreau and Edison successful. Its the teachers, the commitment and the pride of being part of something really special.
The reality was that low performing, troubled kids from farther north were transferring in while higher performing strong value kids were transferring farther south to Edison and Thoreau. Many of the teachers were holdovers who didn't buy the program and were just holding on. A sponsor like TU, some waiver money and strong leadership would work well. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Townsend on July 12, 2011, 11:42:12 pm I'm hearing strong word that TU is in.
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Conan71 on July 14, 2011, 03:02:09 pm Nursing home? Or they could find asbestos as soon as TPS washes their hands of it? Pretty sure all the TPS buildings were cleaned by the early 1990's. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: godboko71 on July 14, 2011, 03:31:02 pm Pretty sure all the TPS buildings were cleaned by the early 1990's. They where, pretty sure I remember the bond issues for it when I was young. Unless we have a massive case of fraud. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: patric on July 14, 2011, 05:21:15 pm They where, pretty sure I remember the bond issues for it when I was young. Unless we have a massive case of fraud. It's not like that's never happened. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: patric on July 21, 2011, 11:06:56 am Having a university move into an area may not always be beneficial:
OKLAHOMA CITY — A university's purchase of a building in an Oklahoma City entertainment district is triggering a state law banning new bars and clubs in the heart of the area. http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/2c1e438daa294aaba50821d5af823046/OK--Bricktown-No-New-Bars/ The University of Central Oklahoma expects to complete the purchase in the Bricktown district in mid-August. The building is already home to the university's Academy of Contemporary Music, but the school becoming owner of the property has unintentionally triggered a law that prohibits issuing licenses to new bars or clubs that get more than 50 percent of sales from liquor if they are within 300 feet of a church or school. Mark Vanlandingham, vice president of governmental relations for the Greater Oklahoma City Chamber, told The Oklahoman that officials are hoping to change the law and allow the state's Alcoholic Beverage Laws Enforcement Commission discretion to consider liquor licenses when schools locate in an established entertainment district. They failed to win approval of a bill during the legislative session earlier this year. "We came up with a piece of legislation but were not able to get it passed," Vanlandingham said. "It carried over into the present session. Long term, there has to be a solution to this." He said he hopes the fix, if presented early in the next legislative session, will be passed. Steve Kreidler, executive vice president at the university, said it was never the Edmond-based university's intention or desire to stop bars or clubs from opening in the entertainment district. "We are in Bricktown to be close to everything that is happening in the music scene," Kreidler said. "And it happens in restaurants and bars. We wanted to put musicians and students as close to that scene as possible. We are absolutely in favor of establishments being able to locate close to our facilities." Jeannette Smith, executive director of the Bricktown Association, told The Journal Record, that the law does not affect restaurants already in the area. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Townsend on July 21, 2011, 11:21:47 am Having a university move into an area may not always be beneficial: Another "Hey look at our liquor laws and how anti-business they are" and all the other complaints about them. ABLE blows cotton. From our beloved leaders; "I'm 100% pro-business...oh what's that? Who's in charge? Oh, the liquor pentaverate? I see...(cough cough)...liquor is of the devil and needs to be controlled with multi-level insiders." And then on the "OKC gets more help than Tulsa" rant I bet there'd be zilch done in the state legislature if this had happened in Tulsa and not OKC. Over So on the Tulsa Middle School thing...would this harm an entertainment district if TU gets Wilson? Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: dbacks fan on July 21, 2011, 11:23:03 am They actually think they can get ABLE to change the law?
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: AquaMan on July 21, 2011, 11:39:27 am They actually think they can get ABLE to change the law? They are asking for at least discretion in ABLE's ability to fudge its rules. Seems like that could make the problems they cause even worse. Insiders, bribes, etc. The whole collection of liquor laws needs revisiting. Republicans! Curb your dogs! Take the momentum you have by controlling practically all of Oklahoma's politics and use them to accomplish real reform in business regulations associated with business and alcohol. Otherwise you could find religiously funded educational operations following UCO's lead with the intention to curb sin. Pentaverate. Cool. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: dbacks fan on July 21, 2011, 11:49:24 am That was my point. If ABLE bends, or shows any flexibility it will lead to more challenges to the liquor laws which would potentially cause revisions to the laws. And I doubt very seriously that ABLE and the distributors et al want to lose that control.
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Conan71 on July 21, 2011, 11:52:27 am They just need to create an exemption zone. Curious how Ed's Hurricane Lounge has stayed where it is with TU property less than 300 ft. away if they are counting universities in the "schools & churches" code.
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: dbacks fan on July 21, 2011, 12:03:12 pm As a guess, it was there before TU expanded to the corner of 11th & Harvard so it was grand fathered? Before the expansion, the closest 'school' property was the stadium entrance on the SE corner of Skelly Stadium.
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: we vs us on July 21, 2011, 12:30:33 pm Republicans! Curb your dogs! I've decided to put this on my fridge. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: AquaMan on July 21, 2011, 12:36:44 pm I am honored. :)
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: carltonplace on July 21, 2011, 01:21:19 pm I've decided to put this on my fridge. I'm putting it on my mom's fridge. Darn those business stifling, liquor mob GOB protecting, bureaucratic draconian rule making dogs. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Breadburner on July 22, 2011, 08:51:28 am I've decided to put this on my fridge. You should have it tattooed on your a$$,thats where it will be most effective........ Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: we vs us on July 22, 2011, 09:10:42 am You should have it tattooed on your a$$,thats where it will be most effective........ Stay classy, Breadburner. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Hoss on July 22, 2011, 10:18:49 am Stay classy, Breadburner. You do know who you're talking to, right? I think that would likely be like asking water to stop being wet. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Breadburner on July 22, 2011, 01:11:23 pm Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Townsend on August 31, 2011, 04:18:20 pm TU withdrew their bid per a TW tweet.
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: rdj on August 31, 2011, 04:24:42 pm TPS needed too much money to satisfy bond obligations.
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Red Arrow on August 31, 2011, 07:07:12 pm TPS needed too much money to satisfy bond obligations. I cannot blame TPS for trying for more money. I hope it doesn't bite them in the long run. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Breadburner on August 31, 2011, 07:37:48 pm TU was trying to get something for nothing....
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: SXSW on August 31, 2011, 08:12:37 pm I think TU will ultimately end up with this property. If not I would like to see it remain a school.
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: jacobi on August 31, 2011, 09:03:47 pm Quote Pentaverate. Cool. Cool word usage. But I have to interject. if you are allergic to nerds, you might not want to look. Pente, or Πέντε, is greek, not latin. It seems that you are trying to reference the Roman Triumvirates (either first or second) and their unlawful power over the state. The latin word for five (as seen in the greek Πέντε) is quinque. The word you are looking for is quinquevirate. You may all now commence my hallway wedgies for devoting myself to classics. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: ZYX on August 31, 2011, 09:13:19 pm ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Red Arrow on August 31, 2011, 09:25:47 pm Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: jacobi on August 31, 2011, 09:30:07 pm If there is such a thing as classics trolling, I just did it. I'm sorry. I can't help myself. I'm going to meetings.
Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Townsend on August 31, 2011, 09:37:30 pm Cool word usage. But I have to interject. if you are allergic to nerds, you might not want to look. Pente, or Πέντε, is greek, not latin. It seems that you are trying to reference the Roman Triumvirates (either first or second) and their unlawful power over the state. The latin word for five (as seen in the greek Πέντε) is quinque. The word you are looking for is quinquevirate. You may all now commence my hallway wedgies for devoting myself to classics. "So I Married an Axe Murderer", a different type of quotable classic. Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: jacobi on August 31, 2011, 09:40:19 pm Yeah, I looked it up after I posted. HEED! I'm not sure which one is more obscure though...
None the less, I love the way this school looks. I would be great if it could remain a school. Maybe a school of latin and greek... While I'm at it, I might as well with for a pony.... Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: ZYX on August 31, 2011, 09:47:05 pm Quote While I'm at it, I might as well with for a pony.... Do you have a lisp? :D Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: jacobi on August 31, 2011, 09:58:05 pm Thith ith funny. I usually onwy wisp when I thpeak of my fwend biguth dickuth.
Wewease bwrian! Title: Re: Wilson Middle School for sale Post by: Conan71 on August 31, 2011, 11:04:51 pm TPS needed too much money to satisfy bond obligations. I can see where the Wilson property is too high for them if TU simply wants the dirt and not the improvements on that dirt. Someone call Paula Marshall... |